Wednesday, September 05, 2007

soft v. hard postmodernism

C. Michael Patton has written this easy to understand piece explaining the differences between hard and soft postmodernism. He rightly concludes that one cannot be a hard postmodernist and be Christian and then he explains the benefits and the serious risks associated with being a soft postmodernist - which is were emergents seem to fit.
[H]ard postmodernism should be seen as a threat. It is not possible to be a hard postmodernist and be a Christian. Soft postmodernism on the other hand presents the church with many lost virtues of grace and irenics (theology done peaceably). For this we can be thankful. But we must guard the truths of Scripture with the conviction that the evidence has presented. Our traditions may or may not be wrong, but that is for the evidence to decide. There also are non-essentials that need to be spoken about with conviction, even if we might be wrong in the end. In short, let us be balanced in our understanding of the issues on the table and let us not lose the conviction that the truths of Scripture produce.

Justin Taylor picks up on one of of Patton's statements, "from my experience in and reading of the emerging church, there is no reason to assume that emergers deny any essential doctrine of the Christian faith." and adds this from Doug Geivett.

I do not mean to suggest that Grenz himself has crossed the line theologically. I am not aware of any specific doctrine of the classic creeds of Christianity that he has explicitly denied. What I am concerned about is what his methodology implies about what it means to affirm any doctrinal formulation or theological proposition whatsoever. To understand this, it will not do to look for his signature at the bottom of this or that statement of faith. This, by the way, is not only true for Grenz, but for everybody in this room. To come to grips with what that signature signifies we must repair to the anteroom of epistemology. Since that is my specialization of philosophy, I would be remiss if I did not register my concerns.

So let me be clear, it is not that Stanley Grenz has unequivocally repudiated any core doctrine of Classic Christianity, or deliberately sabotaged the faith once for all delivered to the saints; it is rather that he has paved the way, brick by brick, for others who come after him to upstage him, as it were, and carry the method to its natural, and I should think, unwelcome conclusion—that if Christianity is true, there is no way to know that it is true or even to be justified in believing that it is true, and indeed that Christianity is nothing more than a conceptual framework which as such bears no relation of correspondence to reality and so really is not true after all. In his own hands, the device of postmodern epistemology that informs his constructive work as a theologian may issue little more than a disconnect between method and constructive results. In the hands of another figure, however, the result might not be so innocuous. For what Grenz recommends provides no normative guidance for doing theology that would prevent use of the same tool with the expressed purpose of eviscerating the Christian gospel of its essential significance. That there are actual individuals who fully intend the robbing of Christianity of its clout, both spiritually and intellectually, I have no doubt. That Grenz himself intends this, I do not believe. And so the crime itself is perpetrated by others.

These others are collectively personified in a figure of my own invention, a figment of my imagination. I shall call him The Grenz. And though he bears a family resemblance to Stanley Grenz, unlike Stanley Grenz, The Grenz surreptitiously goes about seeking to rob Christianity of its glory. From the incarnation of Jesus Christ to the atonement and the hope of everlasting life, there is no truth of the matter, and therefore nothing that one could know and could be justified believing. There is only a world conjured by the person who fancies himself a true believer. The story I have to tell is in effect a story of how The Grenz stole Christmas.

I think this is excellent. I share the 'fear' of many that emergents have opened a dangerous door and that they are using language that when heard by an unbeliever, does not compel faith but rather permits unbelief. I think this is bad. But I do not see as so many others seem to see, the outright heresy pronounced on this whole group. The continuance of this charge not only fails to help but reinforces to the emergent the things which really do need to be questioned. The organized church has some serious problems in that it upholds its traditions and extra-biblical truths as equal to the Word of God and are absolutely unwilling to re-evaluate some of that.

I think the emergent camp has much to learn from the Evangelical and some of what they are doing is very scary. On the other hand, the Evangelical sins when they 'beat' the emergent for questioning and accuse them of things they are not guilty of.

I am not a "why can't we all get along guy?" but it seems to me that the emergents are weary of the Evangelical beatings and the Evangelicals are not able to speak or listen in a way that is Christ-like or helpful.

I thought the Patton and Taylor posts were helpful.

6 comments:

Rick Frueh said...

The emrgent umbrella has many and various views under it. Some actually do leave some substantive Scriptural truths while others still hold an orthodox view but are willing to entertain dialogue about it.

There has come a time for some to step forward and present a composite list, however distasteful to the post modern mindset, of the doctrines that cannot be changed. While there remains no such attempt to provide parameters, the movement continues to become more mircurial and the orthodox crowd becomes more reactionary. A non-productive combination.

ricki said...

Absolutely, it is well past time for someone to step up and say, this is what we are about.

I remember a hundred years ago when the Vineyard was still saying, "we are not a denomination." Wimber rightly reminded us that every denomination needed to plan its own demise so that the next generation would have a fresh encounter with God.

But it became clear that we were teaching others and that brings responsibility. That resulted in statements of faith, values, etc.. We are a denomination - we just try to remember that this doesn't mean we have God locked up.

The EC gang needs to come to grips with this idea. This is what I liked about the references in this post. There was grace in that a given EC'er may not be in error but challenges that the EC position is one that helps others get into or stay in error.

Time to step up.

Rick Frueh said...

I was no big fan of Wimber but I was edified by his personal testimony, his thirst for more of God, and his prayer for revival. He was in some ways overly subjective which led to some abuses.

Oh yea, I loved the vineyard worship. I'm a charismatic worshiper!!

ricki said...

Frueh - notice it is no longer Henry or Rick, you are now Frueh.

no big fan of Wimber

If you want to utter blasphemy like that, you will need to do it elsewhere ... you EC'ers are all alike.

:-)

Seriously, your comment, He was in some ways overly subjective which led to some abuses is interesting. I didn't see him as overly subjective, I thought he was overly gracious and this is what led to some abuses - not be him but by those he allowed around him. Oddly, that is part of the criticism of the ECM isn't it.

But I'll allow he may have been subjective, that's not the point. You just reminded me that like the EC gang, one of the strengths is also a weakness.

пробуренные said...

Hi Rick!(s)

I have to say I am a fan of the Wimbers'... I just clicked your family blog and noticed the canine version of the same (wimber lives on).

Please pat Wimber for me Rick... the real wimber died before I stumbled on the vineyard movement.

My personal feeling is that postmodernism carries us to CS Lewis's cliff experience a la pilgrim's regress. We must, under a postmodern critique reach a kind of spiritual agnosticism that can never be resolved by knowing, critiquing, or analysing, and must instead be solved with beautifully idiotic faith.

To me it was always this simple stupidity of chosing to believe that is why "the simple things confound the wise". As long as we are determined to "know with certainty" we're not living by faith, we're actually just using disosciative mind-tricks to convince ourselves we are certain. Faith must occur in an environment of doubt.

On that basis, however you slice your postmodernism, it must leave you with the agnostic premise: there may be absolutes, but we can never be certain what they are.

Then in choosing to put our faith in the best representation and intepretation of the ancient tradition that we can find, we make an honest choice of faith.

To do anything else is not a higher morality or a more stable belief system, its simply poor logic, and bad psychology. There's nothing new under the sun, and modernism constructed an increasingly complex and diverse worldview-cluster based on some assumptions. Postmodernism is merely the equal and opposite reaction, the requestioning of the assumptions.

Atheism is never indicated... and is also a faith choice. In an environment of doubt, it takes faith to believe in either black or white... its easier just to roll another joint and stare into space... and on that basis I respect atheists for their boldness.

Evangelicals seem to be named here, but to me, whoever claims to have a certainty, however strongly they believe it, is self-decieved. We do not have, we never had certainty. We only believed that we had it.

They fight so doggedly, with closed eyes and ears to defend these absolute tenets of their faith against what appears to be an unquenchable relativism, because when they chose faith, they chose it in a falsely constructed environment of certainty. The psychology of certainty demands the dissosciation of any thinking that indicates possible doubt. The story that is told about the certainty comes later and is built to justify the pre-chosen response to cognitive dissonance.

The problem is that those opposed to the questions raised by emergent's are genuinely threatened by them... they are at risk of mental health problems if they can't resolve the tension between question and belief.

I think Christ knew the dilemma of certainty when he said to Thomas "You believe because you have seen, but blessed are those who beleive, even when they have not seen."

I'm learning to be compasionate to those who are threatened by an environment of uncertainty... their world does come crashing down, at least for a while, if they accept the truth about doubt.

ricki said...

Hey Tim O. - thanks for dropping by and adding to the conversation.

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