evidences of god's grace

C.J. Mahaney to small group leaders:

Most people are more aware of the absence of God than the presence of God. Most people are more aware of the presence of sin than evidences of grace. What a privilege and joy it is in pastoral ministry and small-group ministry to turn one’s attention to ways in which God is at work, because so often people are unaware of God’s work. And much of God’s work in our lives is quiet; it’s not “spectacular.” It’s rarely obvious to the individual, and normally it’s incremental and takes place over a lengthy period of time.

So, informed by Paul’s leadership I want to interact with everybody by identifying an evidence of grace, because if they are Christian I know God is at work in their lives. What a joy it is to discern where and how God is at work, draw people’s attention to it, and celebrate God’s grace in their lives! The fact that we get to do this—how cool is this?

And I also know this is critical preparation for any correction that genuinely needs to take place in their lives. Because identifying God’s work in their lives gives them faith for the correction they might be in need of, and they can consider that correction without collapsing under that correction being unaware that God is at work in their life.

See, Paul’s correction of the Corinthian church is effective because he has faith for this church. When we correct people, they can tell whether we have affection for them and faith for them. I sadly know what it’s like to correct somebody where I neither had affection for nor faith for—as if the correction alone was sufficient and most important. That is not true. This is not an expression of the character of God and that is not biblical leadership.

HT:Dani

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who am i?

Now I don't know what to think of myself. I always thought of my friend Randy No-Blog as an enigma. In fact, years ago I documented the following about him ...

On the enigma we know as Randy No-Blog

Things you would expect him to say

• (When talking fashion) “It doesn’t have to be vertical stripes, just a regular pattern - like solid.”
• “I don’t agree with everything he says but…”
• “Good news Rick, you’ve just been upgraded from a cult to simply misguided.”
• “If it were up to me, we wouldn’t celebrate any holidays!”
• (When talking music in church) “Drums, two guitars, keyboard, and a flute - it’s gettin’ scary.”
• “I don’t normally do this, but in this case, I’ll make a generalization….”
• (When talking printers) “Nope, I don’t do color.”
• “Nope - don’t like cards….don’t send ‘em, don’t want ‘em.”
• “Nope - don’t dance….never have, never will…can’t make me.”
• “As a matter of fact, in my opinion….”
• “Golf courses and grave yards - don’t like ‘em, poor use of land.”
• “Ninety percent of the people that teach error are sincere in their error.”
• “People can have emotions, they just shouldn’t base anything on them.”
• When asked to read an opening scripture at a wedding, his first choice is “Jesus wept” - because it’s short.
• “Palm pilots? Nope, don’t own one, don’t need one…have my mind don’t I?”
• “I normally don’t like fluffy things.”

Things you would not expect him say

• “It’s not a lie, it’s just not the truth.”
• “They’re just too legalistic for me.”
• “You can’t expect them to teach only the facts.”
• “Well, it’s not that serious of a crime.”
• “That’s not Biblical, it’s Old Testament.”
• “I only own one movie…Chevy Chase’s Christmas Vacation…it’s a classic.”
• On March 7th in the year of our Lord 1999, Randy No-Blog handled a snake at Church. In that same service, he openly displayed emotion.
• (While discussing Biblical interpretation) “well it only means that in English”.
• “Hey - the Scriptures are additive.”
• On March 30th in the year of our Lord 1999, Randy No-Blog sent an e-mail containing a grammatical error.
• When questioned about said error (above), Randy replied, “Hey, it was the computer’s fault.”
• “Rick, I want to get your opinion.”
• “I have to admit I was wrong on that.”
• “I’d have to say I agree with him on that.”
• “Yeah, I owned a ’68 Mustang - British racing green, 390 cc - when you started it you could feel the ground shake!”
• “The Simpsons was good this week.”

I thought it was just him. But a few months ago I posted Just The Black Notes which has taken my blog hits from 1-2000 per month to just at 60000 this month. In that post some dear lady commented after making a positive comment about the video:

What drew me was your photo which did not match the video content. Not that I'm judging you, but...big cigar...lots of facial hair...not what I expected at all.

I thought hmmm, am I that odd? Then Rick Henry Frueh wrote today:

You happen to be the most intriging/confusing/incongruous theological mongrel of them all. A emergent leaning, charismatic, Calvinist.

Perhaps Randy is not the only enigma and perhaps that is not as bad of a thing as I thought ...

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more on the "L" word

How about that Limited Atonement? Here's some information.


There's a little us versus them stuff in this that I would have preferred was left out. But otherwise I generally agree. But many of you won't. Feel free to bicker or offer your thoughts here - just do not expect a rationale response from me.

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purity

It took 47 church splits but a church in Centerville, Ga has finally reached doctrinal purity. The story is here.

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response to piper re: muslims and christians

I love John Piper's thoughts regarding the response from Christians to A Common Word. What a love more is his spirit through conflict. Desiring God blog just posted a "rebuttal" to Piper by Rick Love, one of the 300 cosigners of the Christian response.

Love makes a well reasoned and loving reply to key points made by Piper. After hearing him I have to say he also makes some sense.

But get this, look at the way this dialog takes place. It is an example of true humility while standing firm for what is represented. I do not see compromise - I see respect and dignity and I believe God is honored. This kind of exchange is a testimony of God's grace and it witnesses to the world that His plan works.

This stands in stark contrast to so many other blogs and books I have read. This approach encourages dialog, understanding, and hopefully results in change. The more common approach typically results in sin on both sides. That is why I have been so adamant that those involved in this latter type of exchange are deceived by Satan. Even if they are correct in the facts, they are in error in the spirit.

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discipleship

A disciple is one who is growing in the rhythms of grace.

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biblical evangelism

I am currently processing some small group material I was given by my church. We are beginning a series call "Consumed" in which we will analyze the many things that tend to consume us rather than our passion for Christ. The concept sounds great but the content (created by one of larger churches here in Cincinnati) is weak at best - and I think I am being kind with that. Of the three lesson plans I read, only one referenced any Scripture and that did not discuss the Scripture but rather used it as a backdrop to ask a couple of simple questions regarding our perception of the events of our week.

Anyway, in contrast I read Mike Ratliff's post on The Keys to Biblical Evangelism - wonderful. Through what Ratliff wrote I am reminded that we have access to the power of God and His Holy Word - and then I wonder why do we stoop to something less?

As a side note - my only issue with Ratliff's post is his perception that the seeker-sensitive form of evangelism is totally numbers or results based, and, therefore, uses methodologies to boost perceived effectiveness by increased numbers of “decisions for Christ.” That is not 100% consistent with my experience which is that they simply want to eliminate all stumbling blocks other than the cross of Christ. But I suppose as with any "movement" there are a range of expressions and he could be correct in his assessment of the majority.

As a side side note - I find it interesting that many so-called evangelicals (I am not speaking of Ratliff) will cite "signs and wonders" or traditional Charismatic behavior is distracting, etc. and then criticize those that are seeker-sensitive. Hmmm ...

But now back to the topic ... we really need to stop dumbing down the Gospel. God doesn't want or need our help in that way. More than coincidental, I also read Michael Patton's THE ENTERTAINMENT DRIVEN CHURCH this morning in which he describes his experiences exploring other churches in his area. I read his summary of the ugly with interest.

The sad fact is that there was no educational program for people to grow deep in the faith. There were plenty of opportunities for service, outreach to the community, and fellowship, but nothing that helped these people understand the why of what they are doing. I don’t necessarily expect these type of churches to do church the exact way that I would tell them, but at least have as one of the involvement suggestions a program of theological discipleship or doctrine to encourage people to know the God they are serving.

These people had no connection to the past whatsoever. They would have no idea about the history of the church outside of the history of their local gathering. What are they connected to? What makes them think that they are qualified to bring in all these visitors? Don’t they feel the least bit of a need to have a heritage? Are they not accountable to anyone past or present?

The biggest fear that I have is that this is representative of so many well meaning people who start churches. I imagine the person who started this particular church grew up in a very boring church and set it as his primary goal to someday have a church that was fun. That is nice, but, more often than not, totally destructive. The pews are filled with people who are weak and totally unestablished in the faith. Most really don’t know what the Christian message is outside of “Jesus loves you and wants you to have a wonderful life.” Many claim Jesus, serve Him, and lift up their hands in praise, but what happens when someone or something challenges their faith? Where are they going to turn? To the shallowness of the entertaining commercials or out of context self-help lessons? Where will they go when the foundations are destroyed?

It is this type of context that gives unfortunate illustrations to books like Ruth Tucker’s Walking Away From the Faith. “I was a Christian who used to go to church every week, served on the welcoming team for years, lifted my hands in worship, went to other countries and built churches, but I came to find out that it was all false.” Really? What I want to know is did you ever find out that it was really true in the first place.

I could go on but this experience has confirmed to me the desperate shape that the modern church is in and the need that we have for theological renewal. When things get tough (and they will), who will people turn to when the entrainment, laughter, and fun will serve no purpose. May God grant us a mindset to give people their true needs, not their felt needs.

Truth first, mission second, fellowship third, and if there is any room, throw in some entertainment.

This "ugly" can be found in any movement. Shallowness as we replace the Gospel with programs. We have a wrong-headed idea of evangelism, fellowship, etc. and it leads us to a place that denies that power of God and ultimately leads people to destruction. I frankly think that our intention as we do this sort of thing is good but the fact is that in our own lives we lack the power of God and therefore we grasp anything we can as we try to go about His work in our own power - and I do not think any of us are immune. It's a trap we should all be wary of.

Have a good Sunday.

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fourteen years ago ...

It's hard two believe that it has been roughly fourteen years ago that Randy Clark sat down with a handful of us to describe with amazement the power of God that flowed from what he expected to be only a few meetings at the Toronto Airport Vineyard.

A lot has happened to me, in me, and through me over these years and it was good to take some time this morning to reflect on how God has been at work in my personal history.

This was thankfully prompted by Adrian Warnock's repost of his historical account of "THE TORONTO BLESSING - WHEN THE CHURCH SEEMED TO BE GOING MAD". I think his summary is accurate and I really like his closing remarks to how we can choose to react. These responses can be reapplied as we think about any church movement (or conversation). Here is Warnock's healthy advice:

The Pharisee Response
After a minimal investigation, possibly largely by hearsay, some vigorously oppose what is going on. As one Baptist pastor who had never attended a meeting pronounced, "This movement is not of God." The extreme denunciation of any movement is out of place without a careful investigation. In the case of the Pharisees, their opposition to this young upstart, Jesus of Nazareth, was largely based on jealousy. To oppose from a distance is dangerous since, unless one throws aside the history of revivals, one has to conclude that these phenomena could be the work of God. How sad to fall into the same trap as those biblical men who opposed every revival in history.

The Gamaliel Approach (Acts 5)
Leave it alone since, if it is of God, it will continue; otherwise, it will fail. At first sight, Gamaliel's "stand back and see what happens" advice seems good. It is certainly an improvement on the first position. We should not forget, however, that these were the words of an unbeliever. The biblical view of the Church is that, like it or not, we are all part of one another. When a widespread movement is affecting so large a part of the Church, if you feel you have wisdom and maturity, you have a responsibility to investigate. If this is a work of God, don't miss out! If this is a deceptive endeavor, rescue your brothers and sisters!

A Blind Acceptance of Everything
There are those who become so enraptured by experiences that nothing else matters. There was apparently at least one church which had not had a sermon for nine weeks solid. This is a road fraught with danger. Power is dangerous. Heresy, error, and sin may result. We need to be more responsible than this.

Recognize Carefully the Work of God and Seek His Blessing
Careful investigation with discernment is called for. We should actively promote this movement if it is of God. It is a fearful thing to oppose God. At the same time, we need to be wise, as excesses can happen. We need to ensure that decency is always maintained. For example, sometimes young women wear clothing that can become revealing as they fall. This needs to be managed to prevent improper exposure. We need to care for those prayed for, and particularly those who feel left out. Any appearance of manipulation ought to be rooted out.

Which do you most often employ?

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government health warning

Government Health Warning

Do Not Swallow Chewing Gum

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predestined and proud

Yes I know many of you don't agree with the Reformed Doctrine of Election (street name - Calvinism) and some of you even see it as heresy. Well, I be one and I'm proud of it. Go ahead, feel free to take your shots.

With that said, I like this piece by Mark Driscoll.

When most people think of the doctrine of predestination, they tend to think of a revision of the children’s game Duck, Duck, Goose. Instead, it’s Duck, Duck, Damned where God picks some people to favor and others to fry while Calvinists dance around yelling Romans 9:20 to anyone who protests. Yet the Bible’s teaching on the issue is very important, difficult, and encompasses nearly every other area of primary theology.

The rest.

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and at the same time ...

So while we should avoid becoming "censoriousness people", we need to remain aware that there are there are false prophets and teachers among us. I like Mike Ratliff's blog because he does a fine job of honestly and firmly confronting error as he sees it without developing a wrong spirit within himself.

He just posted on his observation that "there appears to be a clarifying work of God going on in within the Visible Church." Read more here.

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a critical spirit

I love this article by George Watson posted at CounterCulture.

Censoriousness - What It Is

Censoriousness is composed of self-conceit and severity; a self-conceit that we are superior to others, and are entitled to some sort of lordship over them; and then a severity of judging others by the outward letter of righteousness instead of by the Spirit. There are other people who are censorious besides Christians, but it does not look so conspicuous in their lives, for it is the very nature of religion to make a streak of badness look more ugly.

Censoriousness has a special facility of fastening itself on a religious person, and on persons professing a great deal of religion, and its very intensity is in the proportion to the intensity of religious zeal, and seems to find its greenest pastures in those who profess the perfection of love.

It is a parasite which, like the mistletoe, fastens itself on the tree of religion, and seeks to spread itself until it claims to be the tree, and, in fact, if not killed off, will succeed in killing the tree, which, indeed, it often does.

There seem to be certain weaknesses, and ugly, disagreeable infirmities, latent in the soul that nothing even develops till he becomes religious, and sometimes the more intense the religion the more glaring are these infirmities. There is nothing disagreeable in handling a piece of dry wood, but if you undertake to make the wood pass into a live coal of fire then will develop the unpleasant concomitant of smoke, and soot, and ashes, which would never have been known but for the process of burning, and there is something like this in the soul’s transition from a state of nature to that of the pure, burning love of God, and though all souls do not manifest the same disagreeable things, yet, as God’s grace is burning us through, it seems inevitable that there will be a smoke in the shape of some religious infirmity.

Censoriousness is not grace, but is assumes the profession of grace, and oftentimes of great sanctity, and it seems to develop in some characters only when they are really under the operations of grace, as an iceberg throws off a heavy fog when it comes near the Gulf stream. One thing is certain, that many professors of very high grace are very censorious, and they were never very censorious until some time after their declaration of entire yielding to God. Perhaps we can never understand the metaphysics of it, but we know it is a delusion of Satan to get religious people to mistake censoriousness for sanctity. One of the remedies against it is a clear understanding of what it is.

Watson goes on to describe the following characteristics of a censorious person.

• A Wrong Standard
• A Fake Calling
• An Unfruitful Life
• An Unhappy Life

It's worth reading the full post.

HT:DW

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loving your enemies

Mk 3.20-21 - His family ... came to take charge of him, saying 'He is out of his mind.'

Is your life requiring others around you to react? If not, is that ok? If so, how do you then react to them? John Michael Talbot asks the following in this thought provoking post.

How do we relate to those who do not understand us? Do we love them or hate them? Even if they are our enemies, Jesus said, "Love your enemies." (Mt 5:44.) Do we really "love" our family members who do not understand us? Can we still love them when they claim to be "Christian" and clearly aren’t following Christ? The one who can love us all the best is Jesus. If we love him more than anyone, we will come to really love everyone, especially family members.

more contextualization

Contextualization - everyone is getting in on it ... and some are getting it right. Here's Mark Driscoll's take on preaching/teaching Scripture.

remember - you are going to die

"You can be so interested in great theological and intellectual and philosophical problems that you tend to forget that you are going to die." ~ Martin Lloyd-Jones, Preaching and Preachers, p. 193.

HT:JP

missing sheep

Jon Birch accurately captures what appears to often be the state of Christendom today.

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oh noooo ... not a mormon ...

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i wanna be your president song

The cats are cool - they got my vote for president.



Thanks Matt!

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missional church formation

From Leadership Network:

Missional living is about spirituality before it is about strategy or congregational structure. So, the first big issue is the reclamation of authentic discipleship. Churches must rediscover spiritual formation for missional living and develop systems for encouragement and accountability of a living faith.

Becoming a missional church is about being–being conformed to the image of God, bearing His heart–before it is about doing. Therefore, leaders must connect their congregations with His heart via the Scriptures.

HT:LH

piper on muslims and christians

Wow! I like this guy. Here John Piper discusses the recent "A Common Word Between Us and You” by Muslim leaders to Christians and the response to it from 300 Christian scholars.

I not only agree with Piper on the specifics that he addresses, but I really love how he communicates this with passion and conviction yet models humility and grace.



HT:PC

frustrated about elections

A New Word: Electile Dysfunction

The inability to become aroused over any of the choices for president put forth by either party in the 2008 election year.

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contextualization

Contextualization - a big word that causes contention.

“Contextualization is not giving people what they want. It is giving God’s answers (which they probably do not want) to the questions they are asking and in forms they can comprehend.” ~ Tim Keller

DA Carson spoke of when to contextualize. Ed Stetzer also had some to say. And here are some thoughts about what the word means.

Appropriate contextualization means "adapting my communication of the gospel without changing its essential character." In short, we must retain the essentials and adapt the non-essentials.

Here I will restate Robert Banks on Paul's attitude.

In [Paul's] first letter to the Christians at Corinth. "I have become all things to all men," he says, "that I might by all means save some" (1 Cor 9:22, RSV). This does not mean that Paul compromises his beliefs and practices by simply conforming them to those he happens to be addressing at any particular time. It means that he is always taking such beliefs and practices into account and making them the starting point for his own message and behavior. Wherever he can do so, he acknowledges the validity of other approaches and incorporates them into his own (Acts 17:22–34). Where he cannot, he asserts the superiority of his approach over others and argues that it fulfills the aspirations that have been misguidedly invested in the other approaches (Col 2:8–23). Either way the things he is saying and doing cannot be properly appreciated without reference to the context in which he is speaking and acting.

Another reason Paul should be studied in the context of his culture is his frequently expressed concern with the social attitudes and structures of his day. On some occasions he calls these into question and contradicts them by his own statements or behavior (1 Cor 6:1–6); on others he insists they be carefully noted and followed (11:14–15). Where accepted conventions come into conflict with a basic implication of the gospel message, there is no doubt in his mind as to which has to give way (10:14–22). Where less central implications of the gospel are concerned and where there is the likelihood of causing offense among those outside the Christian group, there should be a willing avoidance of practices that, all things being equal, are quite legitimate in themselves (8:7–13; 10:23–30).

what's the deal with mormonism

I've noticed recently a lot of writing in the blogsphere about Mormonism. Perhaps it's because of Mitt Romney. I don't know. But I see some ignorance on the topic and then some wrong pronouncements built on that ignorance so I thought I would join in.

Pulpit Magazine provides us this excerpt of an interview between Joel Osteen and Chris Wallace.

WALLACE: And what about Mitt Romney? And I’ve got to ask you the question, because it is a question whether it should be or not in this campaign, is a Mormon a true Christian?

OSTEEN: Well, in my mind they are. Mitt Romney has said that he believes in Christ as his savior, and that’s what I believe, so, you know, I’m not the one to judge the little details of it. So I believe they are.

And so, you know, Mitt Romney seems like a man of character and integrity to me, and I don’t think he would — anything would stop me from voting for him if that’s what I felt like.

WALLACE: So, for instance, when people start talking about Joseph Smith, the founder of the church, and the golden tablets in upstate New York, and God assumes the shape of a man, do you not get hung up in those theological issues?

OSTEEN: I probably don’t get hung up in them because I haven’t really studied them or thought about them. And you know, I just try to let God be the judge of that. I mean, I don’t know.

I certainly can’t say that I agree with everything that I’ve heard about it, but from what I’ve heard from Mitt, when he says that Christ is his savior, to me that’s a common bond.

Ouch - not well done on the part of Osteen. The full transcript is here or can be seen on YouTube here.

I am not making any statement here regarding Romney's candidacy. I simply think it inconsistent to be both a faithful, practicing Mormon and a faithful, practicing Christian. If this is something you wish to investigate, Pulpit Magazine references this and this useful link. I like this piece by World Religions Index in contrast with Biblical Christianity.

Bottom line, either Romney doesn't know what he means when he says as a Mormon the words that he "believes in Christ as his savior" or he is really not a Mormon or he knows what he means, he is a Mormom, and he is deceiving folks like Osteen.

As for Osteen himself, it is disappointing that he couldn't take a small number of minutes from his busy schedule to find out that Mormanism believes the following about Jesus:

• By obedience and devotion He attained to the pinnacle of intelligence which ranked him as a God, even in his preexistent state (McConkie, MD, p. 192)
• Jesus Christ was the executive in the work of creation, aided by Michael (or Adam), Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Peter, James, John, Joseph Smith, and others (McConkie, MD, p. 169)
• He was born of the virgin Mary. Elohim is literally the Father of the Spirit and of Jesus Christ, and also of the body (Talmage, DC, p. 466).
• He is essentially greater than all others, by reason of His unique status in the flesh as the offspring of a mortal mother and an immortal, or resurrected and glorified Father.He died on the cross, rose again, and is coming again in power and glory to set up his kingdom on earth (Talmage, DC, p. 472)

Then Osteen could make a statement about his faith in Christ in contrast to that. He is at best seemingly intentionally ignorant or worse, deceptive. I cannot say which but it's not positive either way.

tetragrammaton cleric

Marc Heinrich is back and here is his latest You Supply the Caption.



I like Jacob's contribution ... "No one messes with a Tetragrammaton Cleric"

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calvin the evangelist

For what it's worth (not much), some would say John Calvin was quite the evangelist.

Calvin didn't just plant small fledgling churches; he planted mega-churches that in turn planted more churches. It is difficult to fathom the extraordinary success of these Genevan sponsored missionaries. Even in our modern era, such statistics are unheard of.

Now some of you will say, "so what". Some will say, "see, that's another problem with Calvinism." Etc.

I don't care, I thought it was interesting and so I share it anyway.

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total depravity

Warning - The Following is Not Approved For Arminians.

So the word total in "total depravity" refers to the extent of our sinfulness, not the degree to which we manifest it. It means evil has contaminated every aspect of our being—our wills, our intellect, our emotions, our conscience, our personality, and our desires.

This is from Phil Johnson's recent post In What Sense Is Depravity Total? I agree with his analysis. The difficulty I have is the extent Johnson goes through to clarify the phrase total depravity rather. I prefer RC Sproul's approach (in Chosen by God) which is to say radical corruption. If you don't want to read Sproul, David Wayne provides a good summary.

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what's important

Today we looked at what is important to Jesus using John 17.20-26.

“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.”

Here Jesus is speaking to those that believe in Him as opposed to those that know about Him. When He speaks of knowing Him (as in verse 3), He is speaking of an intimate knowing, a one-flesh kind of knowing, a husband knowing his wife kind of knowing. This is life in Christ. Being joined with Him in His life and His death. It is both now and forever. It is eternal life.

And Jesus is speaking of real visible oneness, a practicing oneness, a practical oneness across all lines, among all true Christians. Here we have two tasks; that is to practice both God’s holiness and God’s love. To practice love without holiness can lead to compromise. To practice holiness without love can lead to legalism. How strongly must we demonstrate love? As strongly as Christ loved us. How strongly must we live holy? As strongly as Christ is holy.

He also clearly indicates a reason for this oneness, i.e., so that the world might know God. He does not say the world would know God by our ability to expose error in each other, nor by our ability to articulate the difference between supralapsarianism versus infralapsarianism, etc.. He said they would know us by our love. And notice, He does indeed love us. In fact, God the Father loves us as much as He loves Jesus. So we also need to stop beating up on our brothers that express their perspective that it was for His love of us that Jesus came, died and rose again - they are not altogether wrong and we only demonstrate our lack of understanding of Him by acting in that contrary way.

I do not think this passage gives us license to ignore error but I should point out that God cares quite a bit about those that bring division and place yokes around His people.

getting off track

While I do not regret my recent posts about confrontation, I would like to now return to the more important business of the Gospel. I love this friendly albeit sarcastic reminder posted by The Corner.

I recently heard someone say that the motto of Christianity nowadays is

“And now these three things remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is truth.”

HT:GM (welcome back man)

challies on discernment

Tim Challies in an interview with Michael Spencer.

Discernment cannot be understood as a practice that stands on its own. Neither is it something we do for its own sake—we are not discerning for the sake of discernment but rather for the sake of purity in doctrine and in practice. A person who wishes to be discerning must also be willing to take into account the Bible’s other teachings about loving one another, about speaking the truth in love, and so on. Many of these “discernment ministries” and “discernment blogs” seem to understand the importance of separating truth from error, even while falling into error in their responses. The Bible does not account for a lone wolf Christian making it his business to critique every author or teacher or ministry who happens to stumble into his crosshairs. In the book I suggest that the local church is the best and most natural context for the practice of discernment and I’ll stand by that!

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critique of critique

I've been asked to reply to a specific post by Ken Silva. I claim Silva is under the influence of Satan in his attack on other believers and I was asked to support that since my statement appears to be the same type of general accusation as I say Silva does. I will not make this an on-going debate but thought it best to reply via a stand alone post. I considered a personal email but think some others may get a better glimpse into my mind/heart if I do it this way. I do this at risk of turning this into a battle. If the fallout from readers in general gets ugly, I will likely just not reply further.

My friend Daniel writes:

I am still not so sure about your continual attack on people like Pastor Ken. If they are wrong, can't you point out specifically where they are wrong, instead of just blanket condemnation? FOr example, let's take this as an example. Do you have any problems with it? If so, what are they?

First, I am no defender of Doug Pagitt. I think that if he literally believes some of the words he is using, then he is in trouble. If he doesn't, then he should learn to do better. But as my friend Randy no-blog said, "Once you decide you hate your wife, nothing she does is right." So for this analysis, let's put aside preconceived ideas of Silva and Pagitt and the other players.

Second, I do not see my general remarks as continual. I think the weight of Silva's remarks qualify as continual and I do not see my blog and comments as having the frequency or emotion that his carry. I blog from time to time addressing concerns but I try to be very specific and I try to ensure that does not become my focus (although I failed at that during the Pyromaniac PoMotivator era).

With those general remarks behind, now to the specific post by Ken Silva. I think Doug Pagitt made a poor showing in the interview referenced by MacArthur and I commented on that here. Bottom line for me, Pagitt failed to answer a direct question. At the same time, I was not impressed with Todd Friel, the interviewer. I found his question to be poorly framed and it took a lot before he relinquished and posed it better. His persistence indicates he may be holding on to some typical yet incomplete theology held by many Christians. Pagitt was right to press that point. In the end however Friel got there and I do not think Pagitt responded in kind. In his effort to make his point, Pagitt missed an opportunity to clarify the important concept he was being asked about because "it wasn't interesting to him." I think that was foolish ... but I don't think it qualifies him as a heretic worthy of disdain.

In Ken Silva's post, MacArthur is quoted as saying Pagitt is a Universalist which I understand is a person who believes that all humankind will eventually be saved. Is this what Pagitt is? MacArthur said that "What he [Pagitt] was saying is real simple. ... we’re all going to end up in this wonderful, warm and fuzzy relationship with God." Listen again and tell me if that is what Pagitt said. I did not hear that the first times I listened to the interview nor now. I think Pagitt said that in the final analysis we each are going to have to deal with God on His terms rather than our religious affiliation. He did not say it was going to be all good, he simply resisted the conversation about literal locations called heaven and hell. But MacArthur would have you think Pagitt means everyone will be ok and that is what Silva represented as truth. The problem is that this is not what Pagitt said and none of us can know what he meant because he was focused on a different point.

Silva then quotes DeWaay's disparaging remark about Pagitt. While the sentiment may be true from DeWaay's perspective, does it mean Pagitt has committed some error as Silva would have you believe? What is the issue? Where is the heresy? We do not know from Silva's writing, we are just influenced to think negatively toward Pagitt. This is not Christ-like.

Now we get to some actual quotes. Silva writes:

Ingrid Schlueter: So what you’re saying is that the question of whether the Gospel exists in other religions is a thrilling question that we should be asking.
Doug Pagitt: I think it’s the biblical question. Yes, I think it’s the right biblical question. I think, I find that you couldn’t read the New Testament without that question being raised and without the answers to it being the answers that we should be paying to; which is there is no culture or religion which holds God in complete isolation or purity. (15:25-15:56)

That doesn't sound good for Pagitt but Silva left off that Pagitt went on to say:

There is always the act of the Spirit outside of our religious systems. That's true of ... all religions. There is nobody who should be able to say that what we believe is the end of the story and that there is nothing else that God can contribute through people in the world. Or that there is nothing else that God is ever going to do in the world. That is a serious overstatement. There is no Christian expression which is not also a cultural expression. We do not have a culturally neutral Christianity. So what we have in any system of belief ... we are now engaged in a culturally invented Christianity which has its limitations.

As in the other interview I critiqued, I struggle with how Pagitt comes at this. He is challenging some good paradigms, i.e., God is at work throughout the world not simply in the boxes we build for Him. If God shows up to do something wonderful in the Hindu (or whatever community) wouldn't we want to be available to those people? Wouldn't we want to be open to His leading to go to them?

And, because there is a false religion, does that mean that everything about the people and the culture in those religions are all bad? Is the sinner next door to you all bad? In once sense yes and in another sense no. I recommend that at least in the context of the way you interact with your neighbor, no. You should not adapt or celebrate his faith, it is false. But not all the he does is evil.

Secondly, isn't Pagitt correct that we package our Christianity based on our culture? As one who travels the world, I get to see first hand that Christians everywhere are not alike in all that one may easily consider part of the Christian tradition. It isn't really Christian at all, it is culture creeping into our tradition. There is that which we must agree is fundamental but quite a bit that we do in Christendom is simple baggage we carry in and we ought not delude ourselves into thinking that our personal box is pure Scripture.

I struggle to know what Pagitt is saying but it is clear that these people have evaluated him on the preconceived notion that they have of him. And then Silva has only disclosed the portions of conversation to support his claim and not the whole conversation which at least reveals this isn't simple black and white.

The next excerpt from the interview is equally misleading.

Ingrid Schlueter: So we could interpret what you’re saying as how is God at work; how is the Gospel present within Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism—all of the different religions of the world.
Doug Pagitt: Yeah, for sure because—I mean—Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, those are not—I me—they are the right way to say ‘em. They are “isms,”right; so they are a school of thought, and they are also embedded in a particular cultural setting. And so I think someone could say, “yes, I can see how God—how God is expressed, talked about, understood, through these schools of thought.” Which I find to be quite helpful and they’re not all in contrast with my Christianity. (17:05-17:47)

Again, Silva leaves off this important next statement by Pagitt.

And I could find other parts of those same systems that I think I could say I don't think that is at all the way God operates in the world. But I find that very same thing inside the Christian context.

Within Christendom there are some folks that are diametrically opposed and might it be possible that God is at work in both camps (or neither)? Continuationists versus Cessationists? Calvinists versus Arminians? How can we pretend that simply because we wear the badge Christian that all we speak is truth? Pagitt is simply challenging our way of thinking.

Is Pagitt saying as you are led to believe? He acknowledges clearly that there is false teaching in these other systems. He just isn't willing to say every word that flows from someone in another culture is false. Is he wrong? Is he a heretic? I do not think so based on this. But I do think he has been misrepresented.
So unless Pagitt means what he didn't say, where is the heresy? It is only there by intentional inference on the part of MacArthur, Schlueter, Silva, et al. If that is a true statement, who is promoting error? Silva or Pagitt? On this basis I think Silva is a deceiver and a divider.

Bottom line - my friend reached back several months and picked an article that I had to work hark at. In spite of what I said above, I also struggle with Doug Pagitt. But he is not the topic so let's look at some other more recent examples of Silva's deception.

Two days ago, An ecumenical fairytale by Silva ... doesn't say anything except to draw your attention to another piece written by Silva named the same An ecumenical fairytale ... simple mockery with no reference to some real person saying some real anything that can be argued either way. I only see general slander motivated by a heart set on deception and division.
But it is linked to another piece written also by written by Silva but almost 2 years ago. Was there no new information to critique since then? Regardless, let's see what he says then.

First a general observation, as with the majority of Silva's work, the references are all to other things written by Silva himself. I couldn't read the whole thing. It just don't have time for such venom. It goes on and on with accusation but at least as far as I read it did not cite a specific from someone that Silva then points out the error.

Well, except one where Silva says that Rick Warren is under the influence of Norman Vincent Peale and Robert Schuller. What is the evidence? Rick Warren says, "I've only met Robert Schuller twice, I believe. I've never had a one-on-one conversation with him. Not once. So how do I even know him?" He added that he's never even read a book by Peale.

Or here's another by Silva from three days ago, Rob Bell Your Liberalism Is Showing. Here Silva quotes Bob DeWaay again disparaging the emerging church but again not providing any information for that accusation. He then quotes Rob Bell but falsely claims a number of other people could have said what Bell said. How is that responsible and Christ-like?

What did Bell say?

Jesus was killed because of how He confronted a particular socioeconomic religious system. He’s a first-century Galilean revolutionary who proclaimed a Kingdom other than the kingdom of Herod,

Silva is correct. But again, he attacks someone, here Bell, for something that is taken out of context. Rob Bell was speaking specifically about why Mars Hill strives to be nonpartisan. Not because Bell doesn't understand that it was God's will as Silva would lead you to think.

Here is all that Bell said.

We refer to ourselves [at Mars Hill] as aggressively nonpartisan, so we don’t engage in partisan politics in terms of “Here’s whom you should vote for; here’s whom you should support.” We do acknowledge that the Gospel has deeply political edges to it, but that should not surprise anyone. Jesus was killed because of how He confronted a particular socioeconomic religious system. He’s a first-century Galilean revolutionary who proclaimed a Kingdom other than the kingdom of Herod, so the Gospel does have political edges.

The interest is in giving voice to people who have no voice and using all of our abundance and wealth and resources on behalf of those who have a shortage. Some of our pastors had a meeting with the mayor of [Grand Rapids], which was simply for the purpose of asking who the most forgotten and the most hurting in our city are. They mayor had several very specific answers, and so we’ve actually reorganized a whole area of our church, putting the majority of our efforts around trying to take care of the worst problems in our city. I don’t know if you would say that’s political or not, even though it involved meeting with the mayor, but if Jesus comes to town and things don’t get better, then we have to ask some hard questions.

Here is more that he said.

I would say that we have a historic opportunity in that all truth belongs to God. It is not owned by the Republicans. It is not owned by the Democrats. It is not owned by the liberals. It is not owned by the conservatives. All truth belongs to God. And God has set us free in Christ.

Our culture worships at the altar of duality. Everything that comes to people - ‘Is it this, or is it this? Is it conservative or is it liberal? It it modern or post-modern? Is it emergent or is it non-emerging?’ And the Kingdom of God - “how God wants things” - transcends whatever divisions our culture has created.

We, as a church, will remain aggressively non-partisan. The gospel has political edges to it. So when a person says ‘oh, no, Jesus just came for the personal’ - [I say] ‘then why did they kill him’? There were deep political edges that had implications.

The environment and our care of the earth is not a Democratic party issue. It is a Genesis 1 issue. If I met a woman today who is pregnant and thinking about terminating that pregnancy, I would introduce her to about ten women in our congregation who would tell her their stories, and I say ‘we are desperate for you to not make that choice.’ That is not a Republican issue. That is an issue of ’we want to affirm life, and we believe mistakes and redemption become opportunities for grace’. So - any side that wants to say ‘we own this issue’ - if it’s true you only own that because you borrowed that from God.

I’ve had people say - ‘well, if you’re saying that, you must be against the President’, or ‘if you’re saying that, you must be for him’. I’m trying to articulate the way of Jesus, and I don’t really care who is for it or against it - I just want to get the word out so that everyone can do it. If you take the gospel seriously, it will always feel lik you are flirting with various political parties, because it is not surprising that different groups would grasp different dimensions of God’s truth. ’Well, if you’re advocating for the poor, that seems to be a Democratic thing’, or ‘if you’re advocating micro-finance that seems capitalistic - is that a Republican thing?’ As far as we know, it’s true and it doesn’t belong to anybody, because it belongs to God.

Can we be a church that transcends all of the ways our culture tries to divide us? What we are trying to do here at Mars Hill is to say that there is a truth that is not the swinging of the pendulum. It is the kingdom of God and it transcends all of the ways we try to divide ourselves. The beautiful thing here is that truth and love seem to be winning. I would beg this community to consider that when Jesus is fully on display, it won’t fit ANY of your boxes, so just toss your boxes out now. I am only trying to come from one perspective: Jesus. NOBODY will co-opt this stage or this community or hijack the agenda, which is that jesus would be put on display for the whole world to see.

I would beg this community to consider that what we are doing here is inviting ourselves to be a part of something our culture has not seen: ‘OK, it’s nice that you have that disagreement, and it’s nice that you have that ‘thing’, but let’s take communion together and then let us break ourselves open and pour ourselves out for the world. So, I would beg our community to have no fear. There is nothing to fear - Jesus can be trusted, so let’s go…

So regarding who killed Jesus why, there are a number of answers depending on the context of the question. But that is not what is important to Silva.

Let's do one more since it's easy and I am making a serious accusation. Go back just another day and we find, Cultural Architect: Why Churches are Declining in America. The target this time is Erwin McManus who said;

A cutting-edge church leader known for his innovative ideas on reaching a post-modern generation for Christ contends the reason why churches are declining in America is because they are self-centered.

“My primary assessment would be because American Christians tend to be incredibly self-indulgent so they see the church as a place there for them to meet their needs and to express faith in a way that is meaningful for them,” said cultural architect Erwin McManus, lead pastor at Mosaic Church in Los Angeles, to The Christian Post Monday.

“There is almost no genuine compassion or urgency about serving and reaching people who don’t know Christ,” he added.

Silva's critique:

Right; as if man-centered seeker sensitive emerging churches with lead pastors billing themselves as cultural architects are not exactly like this themselves.

Wait! Isn't what McManus saying true? Isn't the self-indulgence in American churches an issue? Isn't that one of the things Silva also takes issue with? So what is McManus saying that is wrong. Based on Silva's remark it seems it is only that it is McManus saying it and therefore McManus must be a hypocrite.

Or, perhaps McManus is fine and Silva is simply bent on deception and division - the work of the devil.

Ok - that's enough. This is way too long and not that important. I simply want to be clear, it is not in a casual frivolous way that I make the charge that I make. It is clear that certain writers have nothing in mind other than to disparage, divide, and deceive and this is not from God.

proper way to argue

The internet has exposed me to those that label themselves Christian more diverse than I previously thought existed. I would like to say that this has opened my eyes to a broader range of expressions of love toward Christ. Sadly, it revealed more of a love to argue with each other - or more precisely, gossip about sin, theological error, etc. to everyone other than the offending party. Worse, this is done under the guise of some biblical mandate to defend truth. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if this is your bent, you are under the influence of Satan.

No - I am turning a blind eye toward sin and false-teaching. But if exposing this is the crux of your 'ministry' - there is a tremendous gap between your understanding and mine regarding the call of the Christian.

I am more convinced than ever that this 'governance' role some have placed themselves in is the work of the evil one. Take an honest look at what many of those are saying. One would be hard pressed to find the accuser providing a fair representation of the accused. One would be hard pressed to find the real Biblical error of the accused. Etc.

Adrain Warnock has been recapping his most read posts of 2007. In today's post he quotes Kim Riddlebarger's response as one in a group accused by one of the more heralded accusers of the brethren. In that Riddlebarger is defending a charge directed toward Reformed amillennialists but has properly identified a tactic used by many accusers.

Along with countless others, I am very grateful for [X]'s bold and vocal defense of the Gospel. I am also grateful for his years of faithful service and willingness to tackle controversy in the evangelical church. But how I wish that Dr. [X] had chosen not to pick this fight. Sadly, he did.

This is hard to say, but in his lecture Dr. [X] set up and repeatedly attacked a straw man. His was a pyrrhic victory over a phantom foe.

If you are a dispensationalist, my plea is that you don't repeat the arguments Dr. [X] used in this lecture. Disagree as you will, you do have the responsibility to accurately represent the Reformed amillennial position. Dr. [X] did not.

My suggestion is to read the books listed here ... and then after doing so, make up your own mind. Interact with amillennial writers, weigh our arguments in light of Scripture, and see if we are truly guilty of the charges leveled at us by Dr. [X].

While you may not be convinced of Reformed amillennialism (hopefully, you will!), at least you'll be better informed and realize that Reformed amillenarians are not anti-Semites who don't take the Bible literally or seriously.

It's curious that this response almost completely parallels the response of others who have been accused by this same person for other 'error' as far back as 30 years ago. I wonder why it is that people continue to credit this accuser as a great defender of the faith when his pattern (and that of his disciples) is the pattern of the enemy?

If found this similar occurrence with a great blogger Mike Ratliff. If you are not reading Mike's blog, you are wrong. While you may not agree with all of his theology, Mike clearly has a passion for Christ, is serious about Scripture, etc.. But with that said, Mike is able accredit the writing of paster Y as "devotional". The greater portion of paster Y's writing is bent on the confronting of others. His facts are often wrong - seemingly purposefully misrepresented. The 'biblical error' he finds is often simply disagreement with his thoughts rather than Scripture and certainly not to the same standard he holds himself and his heros to. Etc.

Anyway, enough of that, it's just that this morning as I read through my blog reader, I wondered how it is that Satan has such a foothold in the body of believers. How is it that we so consistently support those that so consistently focus on supporting Satan and his effort to tear apart the body of Christ? Just wondering ...

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high for god

Oh no ... how far we can fall ... marijuana ministers, cannabis clergy, ...





HT:MH

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"i'm a continuationist" or "life in the spirit"

Peter Cockrell continues to find great stuff out there on the internet. I'm not ashamed to repost it here. This was written by Mark Lauterbach.

I am a continuationist. That means I believe from Scripture that the age in which we live is marked by the continuing active presence of God, by the Spirit. While I think his work may be more pronounced at one time or other, I do not believe what the Spirit of God is doing in the world has changed. There is no cessation of any particular aspect of his work.

Acts 2 is the record of the inauguration of this day, and it reminds me that the pouring out of the Spirit at Pentecost is not an event that ended at sunset of that day. No, it is like a wedding – it brought about a whole new state of being. It is like an inauguration, it resulted in a new regime.

Acts 2 says that the regime of the “last days” (in which we live) is marked by the effusive, abundant working of the Spirit of God in all of his people. No one person has a special corner on the work of the Spirit. He is given abundantly to all his people. The result is powerful works of God – healing and conviction of sin, signs and conversions. The result is also great fruitfulness. When the Spirit of God comes, the barren ground bears a great harvest. 3000 are converted in one day, and the fruitfulness abounds so much that Luke no longer records conversions, he records multiplication of churches.

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violence in the kingdom

George Ladd wrote of R. Schnackenburg's take on Mt 11.11-13 that "the kingdom of heaven has been coming violently. God's rule makes its way with great force and keen enthusiasts lay hold on it, i.e., want to share in it. The mission of Jesus has set up a powerful movement. The power of God is at work mightily among human beings. It requires an equally powerful reaction. This set Jesus' teaching apart from rabbinic teaching. The rabbis taught that people should take on them the yoke of the Kingdom and accept the Law as the norm of God's will. Jesus taught that this was not enough. On the contrary, God was acting mightily in his own mission; and because the dynamic power of the Kingdom has invaded the world, people are to respond with a radical reaction. Jesus sometimes described this reaction with violent acts (Mk 9.43, 47; Lk 14.26; Mt 10.34). The presence of the Kingdom demands a radical reaction."

This is how Luke can write, "... the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it."

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membership

Having been through the full range of thoughts regarding church membership, I'm always interested in what others think. Personally, I'm all for 'membership' as a means to an end. The community I'm currently involved in does not have it but that's ok.

Not Everything is Black and McWhite is the beginning of what promises to be an interesting dialog on the topic.

The questions they will address are:

1. What is the current process at your church for membership?
2. What do you think the best process for membership would be?
3. Do you have a membership covenant to be signed?
4. What do you require of your members?
5. What should be required of members?
6. What should be done if someone ‘applies’ for membership at your church who is currently a member at another church?
7. What should be done if someone who is a member at your church decides to start attending another church in the same town?
8. How should a church handle someone who refuses in principle to becoming a member?
9. Should there be some be privileges of being a member (voting, ability to lead a small group, etc.)?
10. Do you grandfather in the grown children of parents who have become members? Or do you encourage them to be members when they become 18?
11. What are the minimum requirements for church membership?
12. In what situations would you not allow someone to be a member who has applied?

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spiritual enlightenment

"Surely God has that to say to the pure in heart which He cannot say to the man of sinful life. But what He has to say is not theological, it is spiritual; and right there lies the weight of my argument. Spiritual truths cannot be received in the ordinary way of nature. "The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Cor. 2:14). So wrote the apostle Paul to the believers at Corinth. Our Lord referred to this kind of Spirit-enlightened knowledge many times. To Him it was the fruit of a divine illumination, not contrary to but altogether beyond mere intellectual light. The fourth Gospel is full of this idea; indeed the idea is so important to the understanding of John's Gospel that anyone who denies it might as well give up trying to grasp our Lord's teachings as given by the apostle John. And the same idea is found in John's first epistle, making that epistle extremely difficult to understand but also making it one of the most beautiful and rewarding of all the epistles of the New Testament when its teachings are spiritually discerned. The necessity for spiritual illumination before we can grasp spiritual truths is taught throughout the entire New Testament and is altogether in accord with the teachings of the Psalms, the Proverbs and the Prophets. The Old Testament Apocrypha agrees with the Scriptures here, and while the Apocryphal books are not to be received as divinely inspired, they are useful as showing how the best minds of ancient Israel thought about this matter of divine truth and how it is received into the human heart." - A.W. Tozer

HT:CS

truth in listening

“If I have only an hour with someone, I will spend the first fifty-five minutes asking questions and finding out what is troubling their heart and mind, and then in the last five minutes I will share something of the truth.” - Francis Schaeffer

what's wrong with this?

I cannot even begin to imagine how this is ok or why these folks would do this?


What am I overlooking?

HT:BH

jesus loves you

My friend Jonathan Brink recently posted this quote:

Friend1: The amazing thing about Jesus is that he never talked to a prostitute.

Friend2: Oh yeah he did. And I started whipping my Bible open.

Friend1: No Jesus never talked to a prostitute because he never saw a prostitute. He saw a child who he was madly in love with.

I can imagine some number of reasons why a person would state this. Some of the reasons I like and some I reject. On the positive, we too often forget to see others as God sees them. Sadly we then interact with each other out of our short-sighted perspectives.

Just as bad, we also often forget to see ourselves as God sees us.

“Not to abide in Jesus’ love would mean that we stop believing that we are loved by Jesus. We look at our circumstances - perhaps persecution or disease or abandonment - and we conclude that we are not loved by Jesus anymore. That’s the opposite of abiding in the love of Jesus. So abiding in his love means continuing to believe, moment by moment, that we are loved.”

- John Piper, What Jesus Demands from the World (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Books, 2006), 64-65.

HT:JH

tension in the community

I'm feeling tense because NSV sponsored some folks to go the long trip to IHOP in Kansas City and now we have had guests related to them speak the past two Sundays. At the same time, just around the corner in Louisville, New Attitude is planning their 2008 conference and we haven't heard it mentioned.

I don't know, something about hearing John Piper, Joshua Harris, Al Mohler, Mark Dever, Eric Simmons, C.J. Mahaney. The conference theme is rediscovering the well-worn pages of our Bibles - considering the certainty, sufficiency, and relevance of God’s word – that it may become to us a joy and our delight. Sounds great to me. And in all of that - I expect God to speak as well.

Here's the NA promo video ...



You can see the IHOP promo video here. Some of it's good, some of it I don't get, and some I don't like ... clearly I am biased.

lewis on jesus

In small group last week we looked at Jn 1.1-18. As an introduction, I opened with the popular challenge by C.S. Lewis in Mere Christianity.

I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic–on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg–or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.

The challenge being that Jesus could only be one of these three:

• Lunatic: Jesus was not God, but he mistakenly believed that he was.
• Liar: Jesus was not God, and he knew it, but he said so anyway.
• Lord: Jesus is God.

new wine versus old

I love John Michael Talbot's application of Mk 2.18-22;

There is often tension about how to fit a new movement raised up by the Spirit into the church. Too much conformity of the new to the old will destroy the uniqueness of the new. Too much rigidity on the part of the new towards the old will cause it to degenerate into self-righteousness.

DO NOT FORCE THE NEW INTO OLD CATEGORIES

The context is that Jesus and the apostles were being compared to the practice of another "renewal" group: John the Baptist and his disciples. They were also being compared to the established renewal group in Israel: the Pharisees. The apparent issue was the practice of fasting. Jesus' answer, however, applies to all customs and practices of religion. He said we cannot sew a patch of unshrunken cloth on an old cloak or put new wine into an old wineskin. To try to do so would destroy both.

Jesus does not go so far as to say that old wine or old wineskins are bad. Neither does he say that the old cloak is bad. Quite the contrary! Old wine is sought after as the best. Likewise, there is nothing quite so comfortable as an old cloak. It is just a bad thing to try to artificially force a new movement into old categories. The new movement may not initially appear to be as good but may end up better than the old, given time.

DO NOT STIFLE THE SPIRIT

Whatever new communities and movements the Spirit raises up through various founders must be given freedom by the church to develop their own "wineskins," without being forced into the old. Likewise, the new movement must respectfully recognize that they can learn much from the older movements.

Do we stifle the Spirit by trying to put new wine into old wineskins? Do we sin through pride by not recognizing that old wine is in many ways
better than new? Do we sin through pride by not admitting that the new may someday be better than the old? These are the questions we must answer for a new movement to be consistent with the words of Jesus.

evangelism programs

I stole this from Kamp Krusty ...

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another definition for the kingdom

Randy no-blog asked a very good question in the comments a couple of posts ago. It caused me to think a little more on exactly how I would define the Kingdom of God. While I haven't sorted through a concise and precise definition, I'll offer some words by George E. Ladd on this.

The Kingdom of God is the dynamic rule of God active in Jesus; it is also a present realm of blessing into which those enter who receive Jesus' word.

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good simple reminder

I was reading something that referenced the Heidelberg Catechism. I thought I would reread the Catechism just for fun and concluded it was worth posting a piece of it here ... just as a healthy reminder.

Introduction (Q. 1-2)
Lord’s Day 1

1. What is your only comfort in life and in death?
That I, with body and soul, both in life and in death,[1] am not my own,[2] but belong to my faithful Savior Jesus Christ,[3] who with His precious blood[4] has fully satisfied for all my sins,[5] and redeemed me from all the power of the devil;[6] and so preserves me[7] that without the will of my Father in heaven not a hair can fall from my head;[8] indeed, that all things must work together for my salvation.[9] Wherefore, by His Holy Spirit, He also assures me of eternal life,[10] and makes me heartily willing and ready from now on to live unto Him.[11]

[1] Rom 14:7-9; [2] 1 Cor 6:19-20; [3] 1 Cor 3:23; Tit 2:14; [4] 1 Pt 1:18-19; [5] 1 Jn 1:7; 2:2; [6] Jn 8:34-36; Heb 2:14-15; 1 Jn 3:8; [7] Jn 6:39-40, 10:27-30; 2 Thes 3:3; 1 Pt 1:5; [8] Mt 10:29-31; Lk 21:16-18; [9] Rom 8:28; [10] Rom 8:15-16; 2 Cor 1:21-22, 5:5; Eph 1:13-14; [11] Rom 8:14

2. How many things are necessary for you to know, that in this comfort you may live and die happily?
Three things:[1] First, the greatness of my sin and misery.[2] Second, how I am redeemed from all my sins and misery.[3] Third, how I am to be thankful to God for such redemption.[4]

[1] Lk 24:46-47; Rom 7:24-25; 1 Cor 6:11; Tit 3:3-7; [2] Jn 9:41, 15:22; Rom 3:9-10; 1 Jn 1:10; [3] Jn 17:3; Acts 4:12, 10:43; Gal 3:13; [4] Mt 5:16; Rom 6:13; Eph 5:8-11; Col 3:17; 1 Pt 2:9-12

on required righteousness

The righteousness required by God is the righteousness his righteousness requires - huh?

“The whole initiative in reconciliation rests with God. It is an expression of His love: ‘God was reconciling the world to himself.’ But God’s love is not itself reconciliation. Between love and reconciliation there lies the great transaction referred to in 2 Corinthians 5:21: ‘[God] made him who knew no sin to be sin for us, so that we might become the righteousness of God in him.’ There is a staggering amount of theology crammed into these few words. There is the sinlessness of Christ; there is the fact that whatever it was He suffered, God was the ultimate cause of it; and there is the fact that His suffering itself amounted to His being made sin. He bore it. He identified with it. He was treated as it deserved to be treated – bruised for it (Isaiah 53:10), accursed for it (Galatians 3:13) and rejected for it (Mark 15:34).

But how did Christ contract such sin? How did He become vulnerable to its retribution? What right did God have to bruise Him? Because He was for us. That made His condemnation – His expulsion to the Far Country – righteous. But then, beside the for, there is another preposition, in. The for made Him guilty. The in makes us righteous: ‘We are the righteousness of God in Him.’ That is why God is reconciled to us – because we are righteous. That is why God justifies us – declares us righteous: because we are righteous. We have in Christ all the righteousness God can require. We are righteous as Christ himself. Indeed, we are God’s own righteousness – we have kept the covenant as faithfully as God Himself.”

- Donald Macleod, Behold Your God (Fearn, UK: Christian Focus, 1995), 105-106.

HT:FE

general thoughts on the kingdom

Here are some general thoughts I recently read on the Kingdom of God outlined by George E. Ladd.

• The Kingdom can draw near to people (Mt 3.2; 4.17; Mk 1.15); it can come (Mt 6.10; Lk 17.20), arrive (Mt 12.28), appear (Lk 19.11), be active (Mt 11.12)
• God can give the Kingdom to people (Mt 21.43; Lk 12.32), but people do not give the Kingdom to one another
• God can take the Kingdom away from people (Mt 21.43), but people do not take it away from one another - although they can prevent others from entering it
• Men and women can enter the Kingdom (Mt 5.20; 7.21; Mk 9.47; 10.23) but they are never said to erect it or to build it
• People can receive the Kingdom (Mk 10.15; Lk 18.17), inherit it (Mt 25.34), and possess it (Mt 5.4), but they are never to establish it
• They can reject the Kingdom (Lk 23.51), pray for its coming (Mt 6.10), and seek it (Mt 6.33; Lk 12.31), but the cannot bring it
• People may be in the Kingdom (Mt 5.19; 8.11; Lk 13.29), but we are not told that the Kingdom grows
• People can do things for the sake of the Kingdom (Mt 19.12; Lk 18.29), but they are not said to act upon the Kingdom itself
• People can preach the Kingdom (Mt 10.7; Lk 10.9), but only God can give it to men and women (Lk 12.32)

Jesus answered, “My kingship is not of this world. If my kingship were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingship is not from the world. - Jn 18.36

Ladd states:

The source and the character of Jesus' Kingdom are of a higher order than this world; it comes from God and not from this world. The Kingdom is the outworking of the divine will; it is the act of God Himself. It is related to human beings and can work in and through them; but it never becomes subject to them. It remains God's Kingdom. It is significant that although people must receive the Kingdom, this individual human act of reception is not described as a coming of the Kingdom. The Kingdom does not come as men and women receive it. The ground of the demand that they receive the Kingdom rests in the fact that in Jesus the Kingdom has come into history. God has done a new thing. He has visited His people in Jesus' mission, bringing to them the messianic salvation. The divine act requires a human response even though it remains a divine act.

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imminence and delay

And he [Jesus] said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power.” - Mk 9.1

"The tension between imminence and delay in the expectation of the end is characteristic of the entire biblical eschatology." - A. Oepke

"The stress on imminence is needed in order to create a response of watchfulness in Christians’ lives. The delay is needed for God to work His program, to train His people for the coming Kingdom of God, and to show mercy upon mankind. The prophets (both Old and New Testament) spoke to people in their historical situation and called upon them to serve God without reservation as they awaited His salvation. In doing this, prophecy took on a time-shortened perspective, allowing for both imminence and delay of future events. [George Eldon] Ladd sets forth the grand result: 'it is the nature of biblical prophecy to make it possible for every generation to live in expectancy of the end.'” - Eugene Kimble

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holy spirit holiness

Michael Haykin on the Spirit of Holiness:

One does not have to read far in Romans—the most systematic of all of Paul’s letters—to encounter a reference to the Spirit’s sanctifying work. In Romans 1:4 Paul describes the Spirit with a phrase that is unique in the New Testament—he is the “Spirit of holiness.” What exactly does the Apostle mean by describing the Spirit thus? Why does he not use the more common term “Holy Spirit”? For some writers the terms “Holy Spirit” and “Spirit of holiness” are simply synonymous and they would understand the term “Spirit of holiness” to mean something like “the Spirit whose character is holiness.” There is another way, though, to understand this phrase and that is to see it as a description of the Spirit’s work: he is the giver of holiness, the One who supplies holiness to all who call upon the name of Jesus. Given the Old Testament form of the phrase “Spirit of holiness,” the latter interpretation is probably the better of the two. It highlights the fact that central among the activities of the Spirit is the sanctification of the people of God. In fact, for Paul as for the other New Testament authors, the Holy Spirit is indispensable for living a life that pleases God.

Read the rest.

HT:PC again ...

worship too loud?

Greg Brewton reviews Rick Muchow's The Worship Answer Book. To the question when is worship too loud?

• The music is too loud when the volume distracts from worship.
• The music is too loud when it is no longer musical.
• The music is too loud when it causes hearing loss.

I don't know ... when I ran the sound board we adhered to the adage, "Turn it to 10 and let God do the rest." Which reminds me of my favorite sound guy anecdote.

After training a new guy to run the mixing board, the last thing I tell him is, "Now let me teach you about the most important knob on the board."

I would tell them that invariably someone will come to him at some point in every meeting (we weren't big enough to have an isolated booth) to tell him the volume is too loud (and conversely, someone will also tell him it is too low). "When that happens, I want you to make direct eye contact, smile, and say, 'thank you, I didn't realize.' Then while they are watching - and ensure they are watching, if you have to say, 'here, let me get that.' - reach over and turn this [me pointing at the board] knob. Then, when you are sure they have seen you making the adjustment, ask, 'did that help?' Smile the whole time and thank them for their concern. They will leave happy."

The new sound guy would always seem satisfied with that but then thinking back to his earlier training would sooner or later ask "but wait, that knob doesn't do anything."

To which I reply, "exactly."

Is that wrong to do?

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on-line references

Peter Cockrell found this very helpful summary of on-line resources. It's worth the effort to bookmark.

old?

From Warren ... "Inside every old person is a young person wondering what the hell happened."

a sin is a sin

All sinners are equal in the eyes of a holy and just God. But are all sins really equal?

1. Christ tells Pilate that the Jewish leaders have committed a worse sin than him, saying “he who has handed me over to you has committed the greater sin” (Jn. 19:11).
2. Certain sins in the law are distinguished in a particular context as an abomination to God, implying that others are not as severe (e.g. Lev. 18:22; Deut. 7:25, Deut. 23:18, Isa. 41:24).
3. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is set apart as a more severe sin than blasphemy of the Son (Matt. 12:31)
4. Proverbs 6:16-19 lists particular sins in such a way as to single them out because of their depraved nature, separating them from others.
5. There are degrees of punishment in Hell depending on the severity of the offense (Lk. 12:47-48).
6. Christ often evaluates the sin of the Pharisees as greater than the sins of others. “You strain out a gnat while you swallow a camel” (Matt. 23:24). If all sins are equal, Christ’s rebuke does not make any sense. (See also Lk. 20:46-47)
7. Related to the last, Christ also talked about the “weighter things of the law” (Matt. 23:23). If all sins are equal, there is no law (or violation of that law) that is “weightier than others.” They are all the same weight.
8. Unforgiveness is continually referred to as a particularly heinous sin (Matt. 6:14-15; 18:23-35).

Michael Patton takes a good look at the question are all sins really equal in God's sight. I have to agree with his conclusion although it certainly is more popular in Christian circles to say the opposite. Check out his article and let me know your thoughts.

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the peccable jesus

Gerald Hawthorne wrote:

Not only is Jesus [our] Savior because of who he was and because of his own complete obedience to the Father's will (cf. Heb. 10:5-7), but he is the supreme example for them of what is possible in a human life because of his own total dependence upon the Spirit of God. Jesus is living proof of how those who are his followers may exceed the limitations of their humanness in order that they, like him, might carry to completion against all odds their God-given mission in life - by the Holy Spirit. Jesus demonstrated clearly that God's intended way for human beings to live, the ideal way to live, the supremely successful way to live, is in conjunction with God, in harmony with God, in touch with the power of God, and not apart from God, not independent of God, not without God. The Spirit was the presence and power of God in Jesus, and fully so.

Sam Storms provides an easy to understand explanation of the peccable nature of Jesus with the above being the implication thereof. He argues that Jesus was peccable (capable of sinning, although remaining sinless) rather than impeccable (incapable of sinning). Jesus does this not through the power of His own divine nature but rather through the power of the Holy Spirit - the same Spirit that lives in all those who belong to the Father.

You shall be holy, for I am holy. - 1 Pe 1.16

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when you're not really leading

I've always thought a prerequisite to being a leader was that you have some number of followers. Jon Ferguson writes the following:

You know you're not leading when ...

• You wait for someone to tell you what to do rather than taking the initiative yourself
• You spend too much time talking about how things should be different
• You blame the context, surroundings, or other people for your current situation
• You choose not to speak the truth in love
• You are more concerned about being cool or accepted than doing the right thing
• You seek consensus, rather than casting vision for a preferable future
• You aren't taking any significant risks
• You accept status quo as the way it's always been and always will be
• You start protecting your reputation instead of opening yourself up to opposition
• You sleep a little too sound
• You procrastinate to avoid making a tough call
• You talk to others about the problem rather than taking it to the person responsible
• You don't feel like your butt is on the line for anything significant
• You think what you say doesn't matter
• You ask for way too many opinions before taking action

Any clear misses?

HT:TR

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personal evangelism

Pulpit Magazine posted Practical Steps for Personal Evangelism by Jesse Johnson.

Live a Transformed Life
The most eloquent and fluent Gospel presentation is muted if unbelievers identify you by patterns of sin in your life. The more holy and the more set apart our lives are, the more powerful our evangelism generally will be. In fact, the consistent testimony of a changed life is one of the more compelling proofs of the truth of the Gospel (Rom 12:1).

Pray Relentlessly
I have seen in my own life that in times where I am not praying for evangelistic opportunities, I have a hard time identifying them. However, the more I pray and ask God to open opportunities for evangelism, the more opportunities I seem to have. Prayer is not only answered by God bringing more non-believers into our lives, but is also answered by God allowing us see the opportunities that are already present. A sign of godliness is earnest prayer for the lost (Rom 10:1).

Start the Conversation
Because of your love and compassion for your neighbors and co-workers, develop a relationship with them. Get to know their names, their interests, their joys and their trials. Ask them questions, and listen to the answers. I am always surprised about how many Christians don’t even know the names of their neighbors. It is not likely that your neighbor will randomly knock on your door and ask what he must do to be saved. Instead, start the conversations with them, and watch how God may develop relationships that lead to the Gospel being proclaimed.

Explain the Gospel
In the course of your relationships with friends and neighbors, talk about spiritual things. Ask questions in a loving way, and be prepared to explain what you believe, and why it is different from their beliefs. Explain why you have an eternal hope. Explain who God is, that he is holy and that he is the creator. Explain why man is sinful and in need of a savior. Explain how Christ is that savior and how his death and resurrection can restore us to a right relationship with God. And finally, tell them what a saving response looks like by challenging them to count the cost, deny themselves, and become a follower of Christ.

Don’t be discouraged
The worst-case scenario in evangelism is that people reject the Gospel. They do this because they are spiritually dead and blind to the things of God (Eph 2:1). The evangelist has an impossible task, one for which it seems we are completely insufficient (2 Cor 3:5-6). But we rely on God who can bring the dead to life, and we are faithful with the opportunities that God gives us, trusting him with the results.

Peter Cockrell reposted this excellent piece. I commented to Peter that I thought Johnson unnecessarily restricted "Live a Transformed Life" to that of living a holy life (which I took implies righteous). I love Peter's response:

I would say it like this: transformation is more than being set free from personal bondage to sin, but not less than it. All other areas of transformation (including miracles and the corporate testimony of the body of Christ) serve the ultimate reason for, and power of, the gospel, namely deliverance from sin so that we can see and savour God. I think a text that could be driving the author’s comments might be Titus 2:10, where believers are exhorted to “adorn [”make attractive” NIV] the doctrine of God our Saviour”. The context demands moral transformation rather than miraculous attestation. Compare verse 10 with verse 5, where the same kind of thing is said negatively, i.e. not causing the word of God to be “reviled” by inappropriate behavior.

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hunter on being a christian

In the NextWave, Todd Hunter writes:

Effectiveness in evangelism depends now on “the Christianity” of Christians.

Thus we need a new story to tell. We need a version of the Gospel that naturally and routinely affects our actual life—not just our death and afterlife. It is clear from Jesus and the major writers of the New Testament that life has always been the focus of the authentic Gospel. For instance:

John the Baptist, preparing the way for Jesus said: "Change your life. God's kingdom is here…those who came to confess their sins were baptized into a changed life. It's your life that must change… What counts is your life. (Mt. 3, The Message)

Jesus, announcing the Gospel said: "Time's up! God's kingdom is here. Change your life and believe the Message." (Mk. 1, The Message)

Paul, describing the work of God in us, said: We're being shown how to turn our backs on a godless, indulgent life, and how to take on a God-filled, God-honoring life. (Titus 2, The Message)

Peter, expressing the outcome of the resurrection said: Because Jesus was raised from the dead, we've been given a brand-new life… As obedient children, let yourselves be pulled into a way of life shaped by God's life, a life energetic and blazing… (1 Peter 1, The Message).

I like that. I don't know if I would say we need a new story in that I don't think the story has changed. I think we often lose sight of the true story and reduce it to death and afterlife. That is wrong to do but the true story is not a new one.

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god's will in healing

Is it God's will to always healing? I would say yes or no depending on the context of the question. Does God always heal? Clearly not. Is God's bent toward healing and restoration? Yes. Does God delight in redeeming the effects of Sin? Yes.

I like John Michael Talbot's spin.

JESUS WILLS WELLNESS
Mark 1:40-45

I will do it. Be cured ... Go off and present yourself to the priest and offer for your cure what Moses prescribed. That should be a proof for them. vv. 41,44

Jesus wants to heal us of our sickness. In all the gospels we never see Jesus refusing to heal anyone! The sacraments of the church confirm this truth.

NO CONFLICT WITH RELIGION

There was no immediate conflict between the healings of Jesus and the established institutional religion of the Jews. This is also true of overt Christian expressions of institutional religion.

James 5:14-16 is the scriptural base for the sacrament of the anointing of the sick. "Is there anyone sick among you? He should ask for the presbyters of the church. They in turn are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the Name (of the Lord.) This prayer uttered in faith will reclaim the one who is ill, and the Lord will restore him to health. If he has committed any sins, forgiveness will be his. Hence, declare your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may find healing."

In reverse logic, Paul wrote that the reason "many among you are sick and infirm, and why so many are dying" is that many receive Eucharist or the Lord’s Supper unworthily and "sin against the body and blood of the Lord" by not "recognizing the body." (1 Cor 11:27-31)

HEALING IS FOR ALL

Additionally, Jesus said, "Signs like these will accompany those who have professed their faith … they will be able to drink deadly poison without harm, and the sick upon whom they lay their hands will recover." (Mk 16:17-18) This promise of healing is for "those who have professed their faith," not just for an elite few.

Healing is not the result of clever words or sacred knowledge. It is the result of faith, love, and the power of God. As Jesus said, "If you are ready to believe that you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer, it shall be done for you." (Mk 11:24)

Healing is part of the Kingdom of God. Does that mean we all realize this now? No but I don't grasp a teaching other than God's desire is to heal.

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mac is back

I took my MacBook Pro in for repair last Friday and it's back already. I'm very impressed and I'm back blogging.

So - good news/bad news - you decide.

then and now

I got this from a friend. I thought it was funny, interesting, etc.. You can decide for yourself.

Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1977 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his own car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2007 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1977 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2007 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.

Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
1977 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2007 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin becomes a zombie, tested for ADD. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.

Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1977 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 - Billy's Dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their Dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with psychologist.

Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1977 - Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock.
2007 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.
1977 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, and goes to college.
2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, and blows up a red ant bed.
1977 - Ants die.
2007 - BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated; Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1977 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

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i'm liking rob bell more

Well, for what it's worth I'm liking Rob Bell more and more ... not necessarily theologically speaking (I don't have much data) but in the way he lives out his faith. Todd Rhoades posted the following from this abpnews article.

On the “emergent” Rob Bell:
When asked whether he is an emergent church leader or claims any affiliation with the movement, Bell simply said, “No.” Discussing the role of the emergent church movement, he said he understood it to be “simply a conversation asking, ‘What does it mean to be the people of Jesus?’” Addressing anyone who is critical of such a movement, Bell said, “I wonder whether that person is a Christian. That seems like a conversation they ought to have.”

On Who the Real Pharisees Are:
Bell had much stronger words for those who are “scared” by those who offer a new approach to theology, calling them “the original Pharisees.” “They’re obsessed with absolutely minutiae issues surrounding, ‘What words do you use to define the Bible?’” he said. “They absolutely obsess about people who, in their minds, don’t use the exact proper definitive language they’ve agreed upon somewhere.” And Bell insisted he is not worried about offending “fundamentalists,” adding that each time he does so, “there are a thousand people who are now listening.”

I like that kind of attitude.

warnock on challies

Adrian Warnock writes the following regarding Tim Challies' new book The Discipline of Spiritual Discernment;

Tim Challies takes us from the turbulent marketplace of ideas that is the modern western church back into the world of the Scriptures. Sadly, today many people fall into the trap of being naively blown from one wind of teaching to another. Others become so expert at straining out the gnats of what they believe to be error that they are unable to learn from anybody. Instead they believe themselves to be the guardians of "true" doctrine. Tim shows us from the Bible itself how to avoid both errors. Tim's reliance on the Bible is refreshing in an age when doctrinal pillars of our faith are being challenged by prominent preachers, and there is a constant search for novelty in parts of the Church. This book, like no other I have seen, aims to give ordinary Christians like you and me the tools we need to learn how to discern truth from error. I wholeheartedly urge you to get yourself a copy and read it, and then buy one for a friend.

This sounds like a very interesting read. Warnock outlines dates in which you can find Challies discussing his book on various other blogs if you're interested.

mac attack

No, no, no - I was not attacked by John MacArthur ... far worse, my MacBook Pro broke. Well, not "broke" broke ... I tried to upgrade the RAM from 2GB to 3GB and failed. Turns out there is something wrong with the logic board - or so they say at the Genius Bar (and who's going to argue with them?). Anyway, it's out for a week or so for repair.

I've decided this would be a good opportunity to take a blogging break - especially since Jonathan Brink perceives I make a post "every 6 seconds". He's right, I've been spending too much time. I may make a post from time to time if something pressing comes up but I hope not.

And therefore, I bid you adieu for a week or so ... peace.

rufus - ouch

I love this by Rob Rufus:

"Truth by itself is a very dangerous thing. Fundementalism is very crude and very harsh and it's done more damage to the world than anything else. Jesus Christ didn't just come with truth - He came with grace."

HT:DB

I remember when we finally had to come to grips with the church situation in Germany and we joined a Baptist church. I never thought I would see the day but I found comfort when I heard the pastor-teacher say, "Cessationism is the greatest lie causing the greatest damage that we Baptists have pushed on the church."

Whether cessationism or any other "ism", we have to be very careful not to teach more than what the Bible teaches and even then we have to remember to always season our zeal with grace.

presence of the spirit

Among the best books I ever read is Gordon Fee's Paul, the Spirit and the People of God.

"For (Paul) the Presence of the Spirit as an experienced and living reality was the crucial matter for Christian life from beginning to end."

HT:DB

scripture - why?

“I think if we were given the Scriptures, it was not so that we could prove that we were right about everything. If we were given the Scriptures, it was to humble us into realizing that God is right, and the rest of us are just guessing.” - Rich Mullins
I am not sure if that's something I'd teach (I'd have to think about it a lot more); but I sure relate to the sentiment.

HT:TR

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abiding in christ

“In a nutshell, abiding in Christ means allowing His Word to fill our minds, direct our wills, and transform our affections. In other words, our relationship to Christ is intimately connected to what we do with our Bibles!”

- Sinclair Ferguson, In Christ Alone (Lake Mary, FL: Reformation Trust Publishing, 2007), 114.

HT:PC

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christians want to be tased

In a strange twist inspired by Andrew "Don't Tase Me, Bro" Meyer (see below for original video), Christians are buying the "Self-Taser".

The slogan "Tase me, Bro!" can be heard in churches across America. Already popular among Charismatics (apparently the charge causes people to jump and yell. Some even fall on the floor and writhe in pain) the Self-Taser should also have broad application in non-Charismatic circles where self-discipline and even church discipline can now rely even less on the Holy Spirit.



Or the MC Hammer version of "Don't Tase Me, Bro".



Or a more contemporary rap version ...

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rick warren responds

I like Rick Warren - well ok, not everything but overall he seems like a pretty good guy. Some condemn him because he is an Armenian and subsequently must believe in a works based salvation. I'm a Calvinist and I don't agree with that view of Armenians so I can still like Warren. Some condemn him because he chooses to use a lot of versions of the Bible to get to his point. I think it is unfortunate that he does that. He could say the same thing without quoting any version of the Bible but then I suppose some would condemn him for that. I don't. Some condemn him because he is just so doggone popular. I don't - but I have to admit, that bothers me for some reason.

Anyway - I haven't found his "heresy" yet so I'll stick with liking him. But that's off topic. WorldNetDaily did a three part piece with Rick Warren that I thought was very interesting. In part one, Warren responded to critics among his fellows evangelical travelers. In part two the senior pastor – called by Newsweek one of "15 People Who Make America Great" – discussed his fame, his unconventional approach to ministry and his visit last year with Syrian leader Bashar Assad. In part three, he responds to concerns about the pitfalls of partnering with government and his massive AIDS initiative.

Todd Rhoades does a great summary of part one.

On his mistakes:
“Without a doubt, I make mistakes all the time. I always own up to mistakes that I actually do. I just won’t own up to mistakes that weren’t really a mistake.”

On him being spiritually mentored by Robert Schuller and Norman Vincent Peale:
“I’ve only met Robert Schuller twice, I believe. I’ve never had a one-on-one conversation with him. Not once. So how do I even know him?...I’ve never even read a book written by Norman Vincent Peale.”

On his preaching style:
(He recently took two and a half years to preach through the book of Romans)
“People don’t know this...They think I’m teaching on stress every week.”

On his calling:
“People don’t understand that I am fundamentally, foremost an evangelist. It’s what I care about. I don’t care about politics, I don’t care about political correctness, I don’t care about what established groups want me to do. I care about getting people into heaven.”

On why he had a founder of a homosexual rights group speak at Saddleback:
The speaker was “trying to build bridges of love to different groups of people so that Jesus Christ can walk across into their life.”

On being a pawn:
“I’m willing to put up with the misunderstanding. I’m willing to have people go, ‘Ohh, he’s such a politically naive guy.’ Or, he’s a pawn to be used.”

On his enemies:
“I’m to love my enemies. That means I’m to love people who are totally opposed to me.”

On his apology:
“I do apologize, because I apologize for anything done in the name of Christ, that Jesus would disavow. I think Jesus would have disavowed the Crusades. Because the Crusades were largely about territorial land and not even about a personal relationship with Christ.”

On the environment:
“I don’t even care about that debate so much as I care that Christians should be at the forefront of taking care of the planet. And actually, you tell me which side you want to be on, and I’ll tell you which reports to read. OK. I can show you noted scientists who tell you we are near disaster, and I can show you noted scientists you say there is no problem at all. I didn’t sign on to say, I believe all things that the radical environmentalists believe. Not at all. I just thought Christians ought to be saying, We care about the planet too.”

On blogs feeding the fire of criticism against him:
“A lot of Christians then took and read that stuff, reported it on a blog, blogs copy blogs copy blogs copy blogs. And it’s kind of like spreading a feather pillow, you can’t get all the feathers back.”

On how he responds to criticism:
“The general policy is, as much as possible, you don’t respond.”

All three articles are worth the time. I am particularly impressed with how Warren has handled his wealth - he seems to demonstrate uncommon integrity.

Again, Warren is not my hero. I'm not even sure I would recommend much of his writing to anyone. But I like the guy and I'm amazed at the level of anger, hate, etc. that is generated toward him.

are institutions redeemable

"What other church is there besides institutional? There’s nobody who doesn’t have problems with the church, because there’s sin in the church. But there’s no other place to be a Christian except the church. There’s sin in the local bank. There’s sin in the grocery stores. I really don’t understand this naïve criticism of the institution. I really don’t get it. Frederick von Hugel said the institution of the church is like the bark on the tree. There’s no life in the bark. It’s dead wood. But it protects the life of the tree within. And the tree grows and grows. If you take the bark off, it’s prone to disease, dehydration, death. So, yes, the church is dead but it protects something alive. And when you try to have a church without bark, it doesn’t last long. It disappears, gets sick, and it’s prone to all kinds of disease, heresy, and narcissism." - Eugene Peterson

Darryl Dashhouse prefers not to look at the institution as redeemable or not but rather he asks:

• Is there a way to use buildings missionally and in a way that expresses the true nature of the church?
• Can orders of service be structured so that the corporate nature of worship is emphasized, and performance is minimized?
• How can preaching and teaching promote spiritual growth and emphasize the giftedness of the body?
• How can churches move beyond being pastor-driven?
• How can our giving be channeled beyond maintenance to mission and care for the poor?
• How can we recover the biblical emphasis on baptism as initiation into discipleship, and communion as a robust communal celebration?
• How can Christian formation take place that his holistic?

I like this approach. Regarding the institution of church, too many seem bent on either throwing it out or propping it up. I have little energy for either. Instead I recognize that it is here, it is likely not leaving, and I have a sense that it is fundamentally a good thing . As Dashhouse explains, "it's theoretically possible to have discovered that pretty much everyone from the church fathers on got it wrong, and that you are right - but it's highly unlikely. This is especially true in this case, because Scripture is largely descriptive (not prescriptive) in how churches can be shaped." I like his thinking.

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do you hate your wife?

Quote of the year ... so far. This is from my friend Randy No-Blog.

"Once you decide you hate your wife, everything she does is wrong."

the whole gospel

I picked up this great post by Steve Mathewson via Peter Cockrell.

Like Paul, I am “eager to preach the gospel” to the people God has called me to serve (see Romans 1:15). My eagerness stems from a conviction. I am convinced by God’s word through Paul that the gospel is “the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes” (see Romans 1:16).

Earlier in my life and ministry, I’m afraid that when I read Romans 1:16 I only thought of the gospel in terms of conversion. But the more I read Paul, I realize that the gospel is all-encompassing because salvation is all-encompassing. Salvation has past, present, and future aspects. It involves justification, sanctification, and glorification.

So when Paul challenges Philippian believers to stand firm in the face of opposition, he calls them to “live in a manner worthy of the gospel” (see Philippians 1:27). When Paul challenges Peter’s legalistic behavior in Antioch, he accuses him of “not acting in line with the truth of the gospel” (see Galatians 2:14).

The point is, then, that the gospel is never something we outgrow. It’s at the core of Christian living. It’s at the core of what God is doing to save us – including the past, present, and future aspects of this great salvation. The answer to our struggles with greed, immorality, legalism, jealousy, hatred, and selfish ambition is the gospel. A sermon I heard last Sunday (I had scheduled a guest preacher!) from Philippians 2:1-13 was titled “The Challenge of the Incarnation.” Yes, in that passage, Paul uses one aspect of the gospel – namely the incarnation of Christ – as a model for Christian behavior.

Whatever challenges or problems we are facing in our churches, the solution takes us back to the gospel. That’s why I’m eager to preach the Holy Scriptures which present the gospel.

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pharisee-land

It's only day 2 into the new year and Phil Johnson is off an running. Johnson kicks off the new year with the post Weary of One-Way "Conversation". In it he states there is an "almost total lack of serious engagement ... from the Emerging fringe of the evangelical community. For the most part, Emergents and post-evangelicals don't really seem to care what our perspective is ..." That's interesting because that is exactly the charge of those outside of the MacArthur-Johnson camp toward them.

In the past have written both nasty and kind posts/comments trying to engage TeamPyro but they not only do not reply in a way that opens conversation, they cite this as erratic and not worthy to be engaged.

Johnson writes that "those who talk the most about "conversation" are really interested in having a serious one with anyone who is more certain about eternal truths than they are". As I've noted before, the man's eyes are so heavily fogged over he cannot even begin to see another viewpoint let alone agree with it. He fails to accept that arguing theology is perhaps not the most important thing we Christians might engage in. He also misses that some do find value in that but not with closed minded hypocrites such as himself.

He then proves my point by saying "I think it's a bad idea in the first place to think serious heresy should ever be answered by collegial dialogue." So which is it for Johnson? He says Emergents are closed because they fail to seriously engage in conversation with him but then he belies himself by saying he thinks they are heretics and not worthy of dialogue.

And here's where I agree with Johnson and why I've stopped commenting at their site. To quote him again, "I see absolutely no warrant and no apostolic example for engaging in friendly conversation with heretical teachers. ... it seems to me that there are lots of explicit commands forbidding us to cultivate partnerships, friendly relationships, or even academic comradeships with the purveyors of rank heresy." This is where I see TeamPyro. There is some good there but to engage them in some of the heresy they teach is fruitless. I'll pick what good I can and from time to time I'll address some of the nonsense (such as this) for the benefit of my readership, but for TeamPyro I'll await the final separation when all will be clear.

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the year of discipleship

Matt Adair's church is determined to make missional discipleship part of the fabric of their community. Here are some of the key points.

• Tweaking our definition of church. In the American Southern Suburbs, 'church' usually is only thought of in terms of our large group, Sunday morning worship gathering. ... never toss aside Sunday mornings (and it's unfortunate that some missional churches are doing so) but church is bigger than Sundays.
• Suburban compassion, mercy and justice ... address issues like marriage and parenting, addictions, and functional poverty.
• Leadership development ... come alongside leaders in the church and the community and equip them to be who God has called them to be.
• Decentralize leadership/ownership. While we wholeheartedly and passionately affirm the biblical and ecclesiastical imperative to have elders oversee the church, we've started a conversation about how we reshape what our elders do and how we function in order to get all of the giftedness in the church engaged in where God is sending us ...
• Learn how to take care of our business. We want to minimize the amount of time spent maintaining the 'machine' of church in order to free everyone up to be on mission. ... it is very easy for leaders and entire churches to exhaust all their energies on tidying up the house without ever thinking and praying and acting in conjunction with Jesus' mission.
• Value-driven leadership. ... elders must spend their time guarding the values-practices of our church, embedding those values in new areas for gospel and community to happen, and creating environments that equip people to be on mission in ways the church cannot and should not.
• Less time trying to please Christians. At the heart of mission is incarnating Jesus in the lives of hurting people. What I mean is that we simply cannot spend inordinate amounts of time trying to explain ourselves to those who don't share our core values and work off of other agendas.
• Continue to talk about who we are, not who we are not. Work hard to help people see the big picture of what we're about rather than getting bogged down in secondary issues and bizarre theological questions.
• Quit worrying about numbers. Notice that I didn't say quit paying attention to numbers - healthy things grow so you'd expect more people to be connected to the church. But to worry about that - particularly if it drives us away from a regular life of repentance and faith - does no one any good.
• Get better at breathing. It's very easy for Christians to hold their breath - we spend little time taking in good deep breaths of grace and even less time breathing out in lives that love people in our neighborhoods, schools, workplaces and communities. ... We take in love and grace from God and give it away to others.

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sad new year start

From The Scriptorium.

Frosty Theophilus Snowman has melted away due to natural causes near The Village, just a few days after causing a major public disturbance. His exact age is unknown, but friends estimate that he was at least 57 years old.

Frosty, remembered by friends as “a jolly, happy soul,” outlived his creators, Walter “Jack” Rollins, Gene Autry, and the Cass County Boys. He is survived by Rollins’ other offspring, Frosty’s half-brother Peter Cottontail and adopted brother Smokey The Bear. Bear was unavailable for comment, but Cottontail remarked, “hippity hoppity.”

Many local residents were surprised to find out that Mr. Snowman was in fact real. “Frosty The Snowman is a fairytale,” said some older residents of The Village. Local youth, however, were certain that Mr. Snowman had been “alive as he could be.” “Heck,” said one little girl, “he could laugh and play just the same as you and me.” Mr. Snowman was often seen in the company of children here and there about the square. His taste in clothing was described as eccentric, and included a well-made silk hat purchased at second hand. His eyes were coal black and his nose, widely mis-reported to be a carrot, was in fact a large, orange button. He was a heavy smoker.

Though Snowman spent most of his brief life dancing around, he also styled himself something of a village philosopher. His personal philosophy was focused on the great tension he experienced among three factors of existence: First was the joy he felt in life itself, second was the briefness of life, and third the demands of social convention and law. The tension could lead to volatile behavior, as it did in the mayhem surrounding the final days of his tumultuous life. Snowman’s final days were marked by a burst of corncob-fueled activity that was reported by local news media as a kind of mobile party that began in the hills above The Village and ended in a tense standoff with local authorities. “I hollered ‘Stop,’ but he only paused a moment,” said the police officer who tried unsuccessfully to calm Snowman down. Snowman had become agitated, and was running here and there with a large wooden club of some kind, possibly the broken handle from a shovel or broom, yelling “Catch me if you can!”. Friends warned him that the sun was too hot for such exertion from a person made out of snow, but Snowman angrily waved aside their objections. “I know the sun is hot,” he said, implying that the heat of the day was the whole reason for his behavior. “We’ll have some fun NOW,” he growled, “before I melt away.”

He kept repeating the phrase, “thumpety thump thump.” There is no consensus about what he meant by this ominous phrase.

The awkward incident was resolved when Snowman ran away alone over the hills of snow, vowing to return, either “some day” or as other witnesses report, “on Christmas day.” He did not in fact return, and a local farmer found a silk hat in the fields behind his barn two days later. Under that hat was a corncob pipe, two lumps of coal, and an orange button. Snowman was pronounced dead at the scene, and a brief memorial service was held in the village the next day.

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